29 thoughts on “LA LEY 55 y el problema de la violencia domestica en Puerto Rico”
Query
An explanation of”Ley 55″ would be helpful. Many thanks
RE: Query
Been out of touch. Glad to be back. Happy New Year! La Ley 55 is legislation that is before the Puerto Rican Congress that would make restraining orders possible. Puerto Rico has high rates of domestic violence and the legislation was introduced to help curb this and its unfortunate outcome–many times–murder.
I’m all for it.
RE: RE: Query
So am I–as long as it is the beginning, not the end-after all, we have restraining orders in this country, and men still hunt down their ex-wives/girlefriends, and kill them. A symptom of the disease–the frequent objectifying of women as well as the machismo that teaches men they are entitled to do as they wish with women.
Los puertorriquenos y su dignidad humana
Por mucho tiempo e historia hemos perdido mucho de nuestros valores y respeto propio. Es importante mirarnos por dentro y encontrar nuestro respeto individual, para luego respetar los derechos de otros, hasta de los mas cercanos a nosotros. Las leyes pueden ser muy lindas pero hasta que no nos eduquemos moralmente y logremos respetar y amar a las personas mas cercanas a nosotros no podemos parar la violencia. Si nos regocijamos con lo que vemos en el tv,en los juegos electronicos y con lo que pasa con otras personas entonces no paramos la violencia. Donde estan los programas preventivos? Cuando vamos a dejar de dar nuestra resposabilidad a otros y no tomamos cartas en el asunto? Tenemos que recuperar nuestras propias familias para luego recuperar nuestra sociedad.
What can we do?
What can we do, then? Maybe restraining orders are not enough. And maybe this is just trying to deal with the symptom and not the disease. But what do you do when even women collude to bar even having this small attempt at protection?
It seems too that as the economy worsens, we can expect more violence generally and more attacks specifically against women and children–the weakest elements of any society.
La cuestion de violencia domestica
La violencia domestica no se introducio con la television o la pelicula americana. Tampoco es unica a Puerto Rico o los Estados Unidos. Hay los testigos de las mujeres de Afganistan. Tampoco es el resultado de la modernizacion aunque los problemas de la vida moderna pueden aumentarla. La violencia domestica tiene algunas de sus raices en la condicion patriarca, las relaciones fundamentales entre el hombre y la mujer. No se resuelve en una mirada detras sino una mirada palante.
I remember a government sponsored film
I remember a government sponsored training film from the late 50’s or early 60’s that dealt with the way women were treated by their husbands in the country side. I don’t recall the title but I remember the women went on strike to demand better treatment and freedoms.
And it wasn’t so much that they were requesting these freedoms and rights from their husbands, but that they were basically fed up with the status quo and wanted change or else.
One of the biggest problems men and women face is that the woman’s role in society is changing much more rapidly than the man’s which has remained frustratingly stagnant for most part. Frustrating because the economics work against men fulfilling the idealized role of sole provider, to give one example. And what do men do when they are frustrated? You fill in the blank. In Juarez, Mexico women are being beaten and murdered by their men or other men as they return home to unemployed men and a full day or night of work.
RE: What can we do?
Clara, Victor doesn’t know what to do. He makes his comments, but when someone ask him to stand up to his comments and do something about it, and really prove hes serious in what he supposedly believes in, he backs down. Typical….
RE: RE: What can we do?
Oh, my press spokesperson is speaking for me. I had only two posts on this topic–one, a clarification and two, what seems a trivial point.
What can we do? In no particular order: (a) educate our children on the topic of objectifying women (b) support any and all legislation that strengthens the rights of all peoples to choose their own destiny (c) volunteer in a woman’s shelter (d) provide money for such groups (e) demonstrate in favor of said ideas.
RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Excellant, see what a little push can get out of you? This is what I wanted from you, and they are good ideas, keep them coming, don’t hold back on us now. 😉
RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
The same effect can be achieved by just asking me, without the cheap shots–which I’ve resisted responding to, to my credit. I am maturing!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
“If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
I’m just playing with you, and its good you are maturing, because what I saw in the welfare section, cheap shots were your copyrighted signature.
Anyway, as I said before, nothing personal, just having some fun and learning while at it. Keep up the dialogue, and have a good day. 🙂
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
What is your name on puerto rico.com? It is just a question, I am one of the regulars there on the politics section, join that section over there, lets see how long you can last. I bet you have already read the posts there, intresting conversation, and someone with your political ideology, you might fit in. Unless if your an estadista….;)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Why haven’t you responded to my posts in the welfare section? Finally understand where I was coming from and how similar it was to your idea, but in a little more revised and well thought platform in the case of Puerto Rico, which is different from other welfare systems in the world. There weren’t any cheap shots in those posts, just full documented understanding from my part and question to you. I can see you don’t want to answer them, thats ok. I have already proven myself, on that subject. That was my goal, now I’m off to pr.com, adios and study PR a little more, especially section 936 and 956.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
“study PR a little more, especially
section 936 and 956”—-have done both.
Actually, my response got messed up a bit and is at the top of the page. As to documentation, I don’t think so—your point has always been that “many” PRs don’t need social welfare, but then you add that the government doesn’t release figures, so how many, it’s anybody’s guess.
As to people getting free money: that happens all the time in this country–for example, in tax refunds, where no one supervises what you do with the $–if it’s good enough for the middle class, it’s good enough for the poor.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
“cheap shots were
your copyrighted signature”–please show me some examples of this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
You studied those tax initiatives? Good, now what is your response to them? Simple question if you have studied it.
My complete feelings towards welfare, and what I have written on it is in the appropriate section in this forum. Have any questions on it? Ask them in that section.
IS Victor in pr.com?
Are you really in Puerto Rico.com, as you said you were? You reluctance to answer a friendly, and simple question on the subject, seem to have proven to me, otherwise.
I will ask it again. What is your name on that internet forum? I would like to know, because we could further expand this “welfare” discussion over there, where more people visit and respond, then they do here.
I already know you aren’t a main member, I know all the regulars there, so in that, I can’t be fooled in.
Good day to you. 🙂
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Simple answer: they are reflective of the disproportionate power business has in our democracy.
No, I have no questions–and yes, I do know where the forum is. If I have any further questions……..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Simple answer: they are reflective of the disproportionate power business has in our democracy.
No, I have no questions–and yes, I do know where the forum is. If I have any further questions……..
RE: IS Victor in pr.com?
Never minding the implication, I am registered there–however, I spend most of my time reading the ravings and rantings of xians. The political discussions are interesting, yet nothing that crusial I have to answer.
Me? Fool you? Why would I bother?
(what exactly this has to do with domestic violence, I’ll never know)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Whose democracy? The USA’s or PR’s? In my opinion, neither is a true democracy.
Why not expand the discussion by …
Why not expand the discussion by telling those there to post comments here?
i would like to see more information on this topic
it’s really important to bring the statistics of domestic violence to light. i would like to know more about this and what is actually being done to address this issue. here in the states people are talking about it more and more. i guess, because of the push for federal legislation in this area, Puerto Rico is positively impacted to initiate and implement programs to redress the problem on the island.
but what existed prior and what exactly is serving as an incentive for Puerto Rico to enact its own local laws against domestic violence?
i would like to hear more women on this subject. i don’t know how many would be willing to admit to being battered or for that matter how many men, including those who participate in these discussions, have occasionally taken a swing at a spouse/compañera or considered it.
Where does a true democracy exist
Where does a true democracy exist? Whatever that means.
RE: Where does a true democracy exist
No such thing of a true democracy…i.e a gov’t for the people by the people. Always corruption, imperialism, and elite economics and social systems involved in most countries that call themselves ‘democratic.’
Por favor, infórmenme si alguien publica los viladores en violencia doméstica. Debe de ser…
ME GUSTARIA QUE ME ENVIARAN INFORMACION SOBRE ESTADISTICAS DE VIOLENCIA DOMESTICA
Query
An explanation of”Ley 55″ would be helpful. Many thanks
RE: Query
Been out of touch. Glad to be back. Happy New Year! La Ley 55 is legislation that is before the Puerto Rican Congress that would make restraining orders possible. Puerto Rico has high rates of domestic violence and the legislation was introduced to help curb this and its unfortunate outcome–many times–murder.
I’m all for it.
RE: RE: Query
So am I–as long as it is the beginning, not the end-after all, we have restraining orders in this country, and men still hunt down their ex-wives/girlefriends, and kill them. A symptom of the disease–the frequent objectifying of women as well as the machismo that teaches men they are entitled to do as they wish with women.
Los puertorriquenos y su dignidad humana
Por mucho tiempo e historia hemos perdido mucho de nuestros valores y respeto propio. Es importante mirarnos por dentro y encontrar nuestro respeto individual, para luego respetar los derechos de otros, hasta de los mas cercanos a nosotros. Las leyes pueden ser muy lindas pero hasta que no nos eduquemos moralmente y logremos respetar y amar a las personas mas cercanas a nosotros no podemos parar la violencia. Si nos regocijamos con lo que vemos en el tv,en los juegos electronicos y con lo que pasa con otras personas entonces no paramos la violencia. Donde estan los programas preventivos? Cuando vamos a dejar de dar nuestra resposabilidad a otros y no tomamos cartas en el asunto? Tenemos que recuperar nuestras propias familias para luego recuperar nuestra sociedad.
What can we do?
What can we do, then? Maybe restraining orders are not enough. And maybe this is just trying to deal with the symptom and not the disease. But what do you do when even women collude to bar even having this small attempt at protection?
It seems too that as the economy worsens, we can expect more violence generally and more attacks specifically against women and children–the weakest elements of any society.
La cuestion de violencia domestica
La violencia domestica no se introducio con la television o la pelicula americana. Tampoco es unica a Puerto Rico o los Estados Unidos. Hay los testigos de las mujeres de Afganistan. Tampoco es el resultado de la modernizacion aunque los problemas de la vida moderna pueden aumentarla. La violencia domestica tiene algunas de sus raices en la condicion patriarca, las relaciones fundamentales entre el hombre y la mujer. No se resuelve en una mirada detras sino una mirada palante.
I remember a government sponsored film
I remember a government sponsored training film from the late 50’s or early 60’s that dealt with the way women were treated by their husbands in the country side. I don’t recall the title but I remember the women went on strike to demand better treatment and freedoms.
And it wasn’t so much that they were requesting these freedoms and rights from their husbands, but that they were basically fed up with the status quo and wanted change or else.
One of the biggest problems men and women face is that the woman’s role in society is changing much more rapidly than the man’s which has remained frustratingly stagnant for most part. Frustrating because the economics work against men fulfilling the idealized role of sole provider, to give one example. And what do men do when they are frustrated? You fill in the blank. In Juarez, Mexico women are being beaten and murdered by their men or other men as they return home to unemployed men and a full day or night of work.
RE: What can we do?
Clara, Victor doesn’t know what to do. He makes his comments, but when someone ask him to stand up to his comments and do something about it, and really prove hes serious in what he supposedly believes in, he backs down. Typical….
RE: RE: What can we do?
Oh, my press spokesperson is speaking for me. I had only two posts on this topic–one, a clarification and two, what seems a trivial point.
What can we do? In no particular order: (a) educate our children on the topic of objectifying women (b) support any and all legislation that strengthens the rights of all peoples to choose their own destiny (c) volunteer in a woman’s shelter (d) provide money for such groups (e) demonstrate in favor of said ideas.
RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Excellant, see what a little push can get out of you? This is what I wanted from you, and they are good ideas, keep them coming, don’t hold back on us now. 😉
RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
The same effect can be achieved by just asking me, without the cheap shots–which I’ve resisted responding to, to my credit. I am maturing!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
“If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
I’m just playing with you, and its good you are maturing, because what I saw in the welfare section, cheap shots were your copyrighted signature.
Anyway, as I said before, nothing personal, just having some fun and learning while at it. Keep up the dialogue, and have a good day. 🙂
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
What is your name on puerto rico.com? It is just a question, I am one of the regulars there on the politics section, join that section over there, lets see how long you can last. I bet you have already read the posts there, intresting conversation, and someone with your political ideology, you might fit in. Unless if your an estadista….;)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Why haven’t you responded to my posts in the welfare section? Finally understand where I was coming from and how similar it was to your idea, but in a little more revised and well thought platform in the case of Puerto Rico, which is different from other welfare systems in the world. There weren’t any cheap shots in those posts, just full documented understanding from my part and question to you. I can see you don’t want to answer them, thats ok. I have already proven myself, on that subject. That was my goal, now I’m off to pr.com, adios and study PR a little more, especially section 936 and 956.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
“study PR a little more, especially
section 936 and 956”—-have done both.
Actually, my response got messed up a bit and is at the top of the page. As to documentation, I don’t think so—your point has always been that “many” PRs don’t need social welfare, but then you add that the government doesn’t release figures, so how many, it’s anybody’s guess.
As to people getting free money: that happens all the time in this country–for example, in tax refunds, where no one supervises what you do with the $–if it’s good enough for the middle class, it’s good enough for the poor.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
“cheap shots were
your copyrighted signature”–please show me some examples of this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
You studied those tax initiatives? Good, now what is your response to them? Simple question if you have studied it.
My complete feelings towards welfare, and what I have written on it is in the appropriate section in this forum. Have any questions on it? Ask them in that section.
IS Victor in pr.com?
Are you really in Puerto Rico.com, as you said you were? You reluctance to answer a friendly, and simple question on the subject, seem to have proven to me, otherwise.
I will ask it again. What is your name on that internet forum? I would like to know, because we could further expand this “welfare” discussion over there, where more people visit and respond, then they do here.
I already know you aren’t a main member, I know all the regulars there, so in that, I can’t be fooled in.
Good day to you. 🙂
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Simple answer: they are reflective of the disproportionate power business has in our democracy.
No, I have no questions–and yes, I do know where the forum is. If I have any further questions……..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Simple answer: they are reflective of the disproportionate power business has in our democracy.
No, I have no questions–and yes, I do know where the forum is. If I have any further questions……..
RE: IS Victor in pr.com?
Never minding the implication, I am registered there–however, I spend most of my time reading the ravings and rantings of xians. The political discussions are interesting, yet nothing that crusial I have to answer.
Me? Fool you? Why would I bother?
(what exactly this has to do with domestic violence, I’ll never know)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What can we do?
Whose democracy? The USA’s or PR’s? In my opinion, neither is a true democracy.
Why not expand the discussion by …
Why not expand the discussion by telling those there to post comments here?
i would like to see more information on this topic
it’s really important to bring the statistics of domestic violence to light. i would like to know more about this and what is actually being done to address this issue. here in the states people are talking about it more and more. i guess, because of the push for federal legislation in this area, Puerto Rico is positively impacted to initiate and implement programs to redress the problem on the island.
but what existed prior and what exactly is serving as an incentive for Puerto Rico to enact its own local laws against domestic violence?
i would like to hear more women on this subject. i don’t know how many would be willing to admit to being battered or for that matter how many men, including those who participate in these discussions, have occasionally taken a swing at a spouse/compañera or considered it.
Where does a true democracy exist
Where does a true democracy exist? Whatever that means.
RE: Where does a true democracy exist
No such thing of a true democracy…i.e a gov’t for the people by the people. Always corruption, imperialism, and elite economics and social systems involved in most countries that call themselves ‘democratic.’
Por favor, infórmenme si alguien publica los viladores en violencia doméstica. Debe de ser…
ME GUSTARIA QUE ME ENVIARAN INFORMACION SOBRE ESTADISTICAS DE VIOLENCIA DOMESTICA
Que pasa con Joel Sanchez que esta loco.